What Election Day means to us?

And the map , too . Something weird with it . How come Kerry make it in almost every NOrthern states : washinton , NY ,etc.., not southern ones ,in which hes expected most to win ?????
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Since when has it been expected that Kerry win ANY of the southern states??? :mrgreen: His only hope in the south lied in FL., which he lost.
 
Senator Kerry has officially conceded the presidential election President Bush,
and Republicans also gained another two year control over the House of
Representatives. But the most 'exciting' thing was the fact that 11 states
passed constitution amendment banning same sex marriage with an overwhelming
majority on the same election day. Kerry still lost though all of the northeast
voted for Kerry. What the heck is going on?

Security? Tax cut? Job creation? Healthcare reform? All fluffs - looking
carefully at demographic breakdowns and the election outcome itself, it would
not be too much of an exaggeration to conclude that the election is not about
policies so much as it is about culture and national identity.

Good luck to the Liberals. and the moderate Republicans.
 
to Khoa: this means you won't have to change ur avatar until 2008 (or 2009? ) :p
Actually, Kerry tried to avoid saying he supported gay marriage. Only Bush was clearly against it. And conservative people put "morality" before economics. Neway, I am still in M.A b-)

one more thing, did people pick up the last few lines in Bush's speech? I think he means that America still pours its resources into the war against terrorism, specifically focusing on the Middle East. Not a good sign. :|
 
uhm, not really! Between a stupid and a liar, I'd rather pick the stupid!
 
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Hoang Chi Mai đã viết:
Chi Mai, are u going to school in the states?
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Nope, I am very much attached to HN-Ams at the moment :x . Next year though...

Personally, I take it as a given that all politicians are liars and stupid politicians are just particularly bad liars. Far from thinking that Bush is stupid, I resent his smug attitude and oral disability (meaning he can't talk in public for peanuts). However, Americans obviously like the fact that his policies on terrorism are hardball.
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you guys are all getting me confused here. Who's the liar and who's the dumbass? Presumably, Bush's the dumbass, then it follows that Kerry is the liar???? What did he lie about?
Politicians are liars? You can't just be so naive as to make such generalization. If you say politicians are liars because they say lies, then are not all human beings liars for I doubt there exists such a person who never lies in his/her life. If you say they are liars because of certain lies that they say, then you have to think about the lies, their contents, the purposes they serve. Immoral means to just ends are often times acceptable, even plausible... given the imperfect nature of the human race.
I think what Khoa has said is true at least to a moderate extent... that this election is more about culture and national identity than it is about policies.
And Chi... good lord, Ams students are really ... something now. Hopefully u'll be in the area next year :)
 
I agree. I have never seen politics as a immoral business but I know many do. I do not find politicians a lying, backstabbing group but I know many do. Sometimes putting ourselves in other people's shoes may help you a lot. Politicans - President, Prime Minister, or Senators - are, after all, rational human beings like us, but they have to shoulder tremendous tasks and take serious responsibility for every decisions.
 
Money is still spent for the war, the price of oil and unemployment continue to increase.
 
why do they spend money for the war? to reduce oil price
unemployment rate right now (about 5%) is not so bad. Lower unemployment rate may lead to inflation
 
Well, obviously Bush is the dumbass..duh:p..I honestly really don't understand wat Americans were doing when they continued voting for this bastard and even give him 3% majority in the popular vote..I find nothing useful for the uS ever since he came into power..Budget deficit at all time high, anti American sentiment is high as well and America is not safer than when he came into power..Let's hope he becomes a different person in the next term or the world is in for it..Well, juz wait next 4 years and see..
 
Bush won...what a horrible disaster for the world!

It is insane of americans to vote for him again after all he has done in his presidency.

Some americans around me here told me that they voted for Bush as their religion asked them to (they can not stand gay marriage).....this appears absurd to me.

But who knows? Bush can be a different person......I doubt it though

BTW why kerry decided to concede......it does not make sense to me either...can he just wait for two more weeks...a miracle might come :((
 
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Well, obviously Bush is the dumbass..duh:p..I honestly really don't understand wat Americans were doing when they continued voting for this bastard and even give him 3% majority in the popular vote....
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it seems that americans dont like change...
 
Actually the reason why americans suppost Bush is because he is Catholic..
To Thảo: no point trying to do that ah..if kerry concedes, he would be seen as someone who gives up his own personal ambition to heal the divide in uS..Could be helpful for the Democrats and himself in the future..Dunno ah..
To Hòai Anh: I guess some of them r juz dumb:)..Actually some ppl really oppose Bush and they try like mad to help Kerry win but guess that other ppl can't really see how much damage Bush had done to the uS or they don't like Kerry..(i don't really like him either but between the 2 devils, I think I would choose the better one - Kerry)
 
big budget deficit might not be a bad thing because it shows that other coutries are actually investing in the US
as long as they have the ability to pay off the deficit and their ecn is still growing, big budget deficit is fine
 
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Actually the reason why americans suppost Bush is because he is Catholic..
To Thảo: no point trying to do that ah..if kerry concedes, he would be seen as someone who gives up his own personal ambition to heal the divide in uS..Could be helpful for the Democrats and himself in the future..Dunno ah..
To Hòai Anh: I guess some of them r juz dumb:)..Actually some ppl really oppose Bush and they try like mad to help Kerry win but guess that other ppl can't really see how much damage Bush had done to the uS or they don't like Kerry..(i don't really like him either but between the 2 devils, I think I would choose the better one - Kerry)
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This is a lot of generalization you're making. be careful. First of all, if Americans are dumb, they are not where they are today in the world. Bush is supported by the people for many reasons. Second, he may be dumb, but certainly we should not hold the word "dumb" to its true meaning in this situation. Ppl call him dumb to degrade him and because he looks dumb, has terrible speech-making skills and got into Yale and Harvard for reasons other than his academic abilities. But that ppl call him dumb doesn't mean he's dumb in the sense that he's stupid, can't think, can't reason etc. I call him dumb 'cause I don't like him... you know what I mean. if you call him dumb because you think he's not as smart as you are or other way around, more stupid than you are :) then I have to argue that it is quite an unfounded assertion.
Thirdly, not just "some American ppl" support Kerry. Many of them do. And Bush is not supported merely because he's Catholic. Catholicism is strong, but not supreme here in America. I take these statements as evidence that you're not living in the States. Correct?
 
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Bush won...what a horrible disaster for the world!

It is insane of americans to vote for him again after all he has done in his presidency.

Some americans around me here told me that they voted for Bush as their religion asked them to (they can not stand gay marriage).....this appears absurd to me.

But who knows? Bush can be a different person......I doubt it though

BTW why kerry decided to concede......it does not make sense to me either...can he just wait for two more weeks...a miracle might come :((
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It's true that after so much anticipation and efforts during the year(s) before the election, Kerry has the right not to concede so early. However, waiting for another week for the result to come would mean a lot of fuss, plus flocks of lawyers working from both sides on possible litigation. The chance that Kerry wins is too slim to waste all that efforts. Kerry is a political man, he understands that.
 
well, let's look at why people voted for Bush. You already mentioned most of the reasons above. I just wanna add one small factor. I think the tape helped Bush. Because Americans feel threatened by terrorists, they definitely want to have a dynamic president - the war-time president as Bush calls himself.
Secondly, Kerry had some disadvantages because he had to gain the nomination of his party first before the general election. Therefore, initially, his position has to be far on the left wing. Then after gaining nomination, he has to move to the middle to gain popular votes of average Americans. (which Dean didn't do --> Dems thought Dean wouldn't be able to succeed --> get rid of him)

That's why we can see the shift in Kerry's standpoint. He also tries to avoid touchy problems, which is not smart. Americans have to know exactly what the president stands for. Saying that gay marriage is somehow irrelevant and there are more important things to take into consideration is not an effective way, I think.

Finally, Kerry keeps bragging too much about being a hero in Vietnam War. Hey, isn't him the one that seems to be against war at first? :-?

This election is way interesting to me. I am thinking of majoring in gov rite now :))
 
that is so true
bush admin. sys. didn't boost the ecn, but the ecn is still growing
actually this is good because clinton admin sys let the ecn grow too fast, if it kept growing like that, it would let to a depression
 
another reason Bush won is his succees in building Kerry's image as a liar, one who "flip flops" a lot.

and Ridiculously, his limitation in making speeches somewhat helped him to win the election as many people thought it was the evidence of his honesty. :D

To Hương: I am thinking about majoring in political science right now......but still do not know what I can do with it in the real world

To Tùng and anh Long: Thanks for your explainations.

To Hạnh: It is true that american economy is doing really good even though Bush administration has not paid much attention to it.

To every one: have you guys ever paid attention to any election in Viet Nam? ;)
 
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