Premarital Sex
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Trần Vũ Toàn
(George Stark)
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it depends, healthy or not, serious or shallow 
Đinh Ngọc Lâm
(Jimmy L.D.)
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I dont like it, but I'll approve when the matter is brought up. The reason is, time changes people change ~o)
Nguyễn Lý Hiền Nga
(emNga)
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to some people, saying "approve" is easy, but doing "disapprove"
to some others, saying "disapprove", but doing "approve" easily
it depends, honeys, depends. really depends on who we are, the circumstance, and the partner.
however, it's still a choice. we make choices. then, no regret...
to some others, saying "disapprove", but doing "approve" easily
it depends, honeys, depends. really depends on who we are, the circumstance, and the partner.
however, it's still a choice. we make choices. then, no regret...
Trần Phương My
(pucca0love)
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:x I agree....Nguyễn Lý Hiền Nga đã viết:
Honestly, i don't think premarital sex is bad at all..
... You don't have to wait until you get married to figure out how horrible your husband/wife in bed..) ...then you will regret forever and wish you had done it before marriage...
Trần Thiên Phước
(liveforadream)
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I think it's not about whether or not we practice premartial sex, since the answer's quite obvious^^...the pressing issue here is how to practice it...educationally or stupidly, in which i mean, safe sex.
Trịnh Thường Trường An
(che_guevara)
Active Member
--Listen, you're not ready, so let's have a condom in our pocket. Sorry, I'm just joking.
--Seriously, I think that if both sides are agree, then let them do it, no problem.
--The problem is: "what'll you do after making love?":-?
. Sorry, I'm just joking.--Seriously, I think that if both sides are agree, then let them do it, no problem.
--The problem is: "what'll you do after making love?":-?
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Trần Thiên Phước
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Having condom and practice safe sex is "what will you do before and while you're making love"...since safe sex is all about thinking ahead. Premartial sex's okay as long as you, i repeat myself again, practice safe sex.
As for "what'll you do after making love", there're a few things, if pregnancy occurs, u'd either get aborted or raise the kid (which is something you absolutely don't want to), and if unfortunately you get STD (sexual transmitted disease), you'd have to deal with it.
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Nguyễn Minh Nguyệt
(FANTASY215)
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^-^ Funny paradox, men usually don't approve of a virgin-ish ^__^ (yay! I just made up a word!) girlfriend; but husbands usually disapprove of *used* (please excuse my language) wives. *sigh* human's selfish-ness ^^
It is just so hypocritical to build up those virgin path or... those pure white gowns -___=
Anyways, I think it is a good point that nobody wants a bad partner in bed, especially the one you HAVE TO OFFICIALLY share the bed. So... it might be better to deflourish the one you wanna marry before marriage. ^^ You can still rain check if he/she is too bad at it. Of course then, the women is not in a very preferable situation, hence, serves her right for her recklessness ^-^v
Please excuse my ignorance.
It is just so hypocritical to build up those virgin path or... those pure white gowns -___=
Anyways, I think it is a good point that nobody wants a bad partner in bed, especially the one you HAVE TO OFFICIALLY share the bed. So... it might be better to deflourish the one you wanna marry before marriage. ^^ You can still rain check if he/she is too bad at it. Of course then, the women is not in a very preferable situation, hence, serves her right for her recklessness ^-^v
Please excuse my ignorance.
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Trịnh Thường Trường An
(che_guevara)
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--That's alright, sis, your language has no problemNguyễn Minh Nguyệt đã viết:
--The thing you says is belonged to our culture. Guys who're husband doesn't like betrayer (like Confucianism) but guys who're just boy friend wants love.
--In my opinion, prematerial sex is acceptable or not also depends on what do we Vietnamese want: a loyalist or a true love (may be she's a used one, np). A rebel like me will choose love. How about you, men ?
Trần Thiên Phước
(liveforadream)
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Then we might as well as dwell ourselves in excessive masturbations, giving the opportunity for the sexual industries to flourish with masturbaing devices such as...maybe that's what one should explore on one's own.
Maybe we marry the wrong one?
Just an opinion.
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Nguyễn Lý Hiền Nga
(emNga)
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being a virgin or not has nothing to do with loyalty. it happenes BEFORE marriage, NOT DURING.
however, Khoa, you're wise to say "if your sex partner is someone who will be bound to marry you in the future , I won't take issue" b-)
it's too insular to treat your "love" that way. will you do it, Khoa? I hope not?
people like to nose around others, huh?
-well, Phuoc, about ... masturbate ^^ :"> I ... don't approve it. it seems like one has to masturbate only when one's partner is not enough... well, I'm not sure the partner would feel like it ^^
:-"
don't turn your back to what you say today
however, Khoa, you're wise to say "if your sex partner is someone who will be bound to marry you in the future , I won't take issue" b-)
sex is more than showing love, it's love. I prefer using the word "to make-love", as it is a part of love. very essential.
excuse me, those men don't love those women truly. they love themselves. f*ck 'em up. I mean, hang
it's too insular to treat your "love" that way. will you do it, Khoa? I hope not?
what is that about reputation? is there anything bad with loving and doing love?
people like to nose around others, huh?
yes, this is CORRECT ^^
-well, Phuoc, about ... masturbate ^^ :"> I ... don't approve it. it seems like one has to masturbate only when one's partner is not enough... well, I'm not sure the partner would feel like it ^^
bạn An ^^ many people like you when they get married they are still annoyed to know.....
:-"
don't turn your back to what you say today
Trần Thiên Phước
(liveforadream)
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just an opinion though...probably sex's just "a part of" many complex and sophisticated elements - which i don't think I understand - that build up the phenomenon described by the terminology: "love".
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Nguyễn Minh Nguyệt
(FANTASY215)
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I agree with you. It is NOT what we called "love" but "a part of it". Having sex does not mean withholding a healthy and loving relationship, however, a relationship without some kind of sexual "activities" is a ... er... kinda abnormal; since it is a part of human nature.
And masturbation, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. What if someone prefers their own hand over a partner? ^-^v
And Khoa, I used to think like you... er... 3 days ago. KKkkk~~~nahh... just kidding. ^-^v It's kinda hard to find cute young men still holding those traditional morals like you. Kawaiiiiii... :x
Anyways, when you get into a serious relationship, it is very hard to maintain the non-sexual zone. Sex plays a big part in human relations. I remember reading a funny statement " every human behavior is initially based on sexual purposes." ^^
So... I am very interested to hear from you again when you find your significant other
It is very hard to maintain a- non -sexual relationship. You think only men feels the need? Not really, firstly, women have needs, too and at some points, they even have more needs. Moreover, it's not only for animal-like needs, sometimes it is all about insecurity. Both women and men get insecure easily in a serious relationship; and somehow, sex is the easiest but... not the smartest way of assurance. People tend to think once they have sexual intercourse, they are bound together more tightly- which is totally absurd, by the way.
The last line, how long can you stand having your girlfriend bugging you for a quickie? Sounds pervy but.. it happens =P
And masturbation, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. What if someone prefers their own hand over a partner? ^-^v
And Khoa, I used to think like you... er... 3 days ago. KKkkk~~~nahh... just kidding. ^-^v It's kinda hard to find cute young men still holding those traditional morals like you. Kawaiiiiii... :x
Anyways, when you get into a serious relationship, it is very hard to maintain the non-sexual zone. Sex plays a big part in human relations. I remember reading a funny statement " every human behavior is initially based on sexual purposes." ^^
So... I am very interested to hear from you again when you find your significant other
It is very hard to maintain a- non -sexual relationship. You think only men feels the need?
Not really, firstly, women have needs, too and at some points, they even have more needs. Moreover, it's not only for animal-like needs, sometimes it is all about insecurity. Both women and men get insecure easily in a serious relationship; and somehow, sex is the easiest but... not the smartest way of assurance. People tend to think once they have sexual intercourse, they are bound together more tightly- which is totally absurd, by the way. The last line, how long can you stand having your girlfriend bugging you for a quickie? Sounds pervy but.. it happens =P
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Trần Thiên Phước
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Probably from Sigmund Freud^^, the wording's different but the perspective is pretty similar
=)), that's a good one Nguyệt...gonna say something, but maybe not^^
Nguyễn Minh Nguyệt
(FANTASY215)
New Member
Kkk~~~ I am caught red-handed for incorrect quotation, bro Phước. It is indeed from Freud )Just say whatever you want, once I decided to babble about my stupidity, I had already beeb prepared for some scolding... T____T
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Nguyễn Minh Nguyệt
(FANTASY215)
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To express my sincere apology ^-^ I'm quoting some of Freud's work, er... just for entertainment ^____^ Enjoy:
Freud saw all human behavior as motivated by the drives or instincts, which in turn are the neurological representations of physical needs. At first, he referred to them as the life instincts. These instincts perpetuate (a) the life of the individual, by motivating him or her to seek food and water, and (b) the life of the species, by motivating him or her to have sex. The motivational energy of these life instincts, the "oomph" that powers our psyches, he called libido, from the Latin word for "I desire."
Freud's clinical experience led him to view sex as much more important in the dynamics of the psyche than other needs. We are, after all, social creatures, and sex is the most social of needs. Plus, we have to remember that Freud included much more than intercourse in the term sex! Anyway, libido has come to mean, not any old drive, but the sex drive.
Later in his life, Freud began to believe that the life instincts didn't tell the whole story. Libido is a lively thing; the pleasure principle keeps us in perpetual motion. And yet the goal of all this motion is to be still, to be satisfied, to be at peace, to have no more needs. The goal of life, you might say, is death! Freud began to believe that "under" and "beside" the life instincts there was a death instinct. He began to believe that every person has an unconscious wish to die.
This seems like a strange idea at first, and it was rejected by many of his students, but I think it has some basis in experience: Life can be a painful and exhausting process. There is easily, for the great majority of people in the world, more pain than pleasure in life -- something we are extremely reluctant to admit! Death promises release from the struggle.
Freud referred to a nirvana principle. Nirvana is a Buddhist idea, often translated as heaven, but actually meaning "blowing out," as in the blowing out of a candle. It refers to non-existence, nothingness, the void, which is the goal of all life in Buddhist philosophy.
The day-to-day evidence of the death instinct and its nirvana principle is in our desire for peace, for escape from stimulation, our attraction to alcohol and narcotics, our penchant for escapist activity, such as losing ourselves in books or movies, our craving for rest and sleep. Sometimes it presents itself openly as suicide and suicidal wishes. And, Freud theorized, sometimes we direct it out away from ourselves, in the form of aggression, cruelty, murder, and destructiveness.
A more general criticism of Freud's theory is its emphasis on sexuality. Everything, both good and bad, seems to stem from the expression or repression of the sex drive. Many people question that, and wonder if there are any other forces at work. Freud himself later added the death instinct, but that proved to be another one of his less popular ideas.
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Life instincts and the death instinct
Freud saw all human behavior as motivated by the drives or instincts, which in turn are the neurological representations of physical needs. At first, he referred to them as the life instincts. These instincts perpetuate (a) the life of the individual, by motivating him or her to seek food and water, and (b) the life of the species, by motivating him or her to have sex. The motivational energy of these life instincts, the "oomph" that powers our psyches, he called libido, from the Latin word for "I desire."
Freud's clinical experience led him to view sex as much more important in the dynamics of the psyche than other needs. We are, after all, social creatures, and sex is the most social of needs. Plus, we have to remember that Freud included much more than intercourse in the term sex! Anyway, libido has come to mean, not any old drive, but the sex drive.
Later in his life, Freud began to believe that the life instincts didn't tell the whole story. Libido is a lively thing; the pleasure principle keeps us in perpetual motion. And yet the goal of all this motion is to be still, to be satisfied, to be at peace, to have no more needs. The goal of life, you might say, is death! Freud began to believe that "under" and "beside" the life instincts there was a death instinct. He began to believe that every person has an unconscious wish to die.
This seems like a strange idea at first, and it was rejected by many of his students, but I think it has some basis in experience: Life can be a painful and exhausting process. There is easily, for the great majority of people in the world, more pain than pleasure in life -- something we are extremely reluctant to admit! Death promises release from the struggle.
Freud referred to a nirvana principle. Nirvana is a Buddhist idea, often translated as heaven, but actually meaning "blowing out," as in the blowing out of a candle. It refers to non-existence, nothingness, the void, which is the goal of all life in Buddhist philosophy.
The day-to-day evidence of the death instinct and its nirvana principle is in our desire for peace, for escape from stimulation, our attraction to alcohol and narcotics, our penchant for escapist activity, such as losing ourselves in books or movies, our craving for rest and sleep. Sometimes it presents itself openly as suicide and suicidal wishes. And, Freud theorized, sometimes we direct it out away from ourselves, in the form of aggression, cruelty, murder, and destructiveness.
Sexuality
A more general criticism of Freud's theory is its emphasis on sexuality. Everything, both good and bad, seems to stem from the expression or repression of the sex drive. Many people question that, and wonder if there are any other forces at work. Freud himself later added the death instinct, but that proved to be another one of his less popular ideas.
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Trịnh Thường Trường An
(che_guevara)
Active Member
--Thanks for your mock, Black Nga. However, I want only love, not troublesNguyễn Lý Hiền Nga đã viết:bạn An ^^ many people like you when they get married they are still annoyed to know.....
:-"
don't turn your back to what you say today
--There's one thing that I don't understand (how stupid I am
): wedding is just a ceremony to tell others that a couple is really in love at a point of time, why do we use it as a method to measure love? In my opinion, "premarital sex" means "sex before wedding".--Ah, another question. If a man and a woman get divorced because of the man, the man can marry another woman. How about the woman? If 100% of us consider that she had prematerial sex (with the ex-husband) and accuse that she's not a good woman, it'll be difficult for her to find new husband. Well, I don't think it's fair. Luckily, not 100%
)))