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just the beginning! forgive me ok?
i really like to talk about english, the one i've chosen my love. my class now is doing several activities of english language and its culture. and talk about english means...what do you think of studying abroad? we have discussed the topic in the class newspaper " Gossip express" . Any one wants to read? contact us right now and admire my friend's thought!
 
Well first let me know what you think about this matter first. And I suggest if you want others from other classes to discuss your topic, you should write it in Vietnamese.
 
but i'm not allowed!

the webmaster wants me to write in english you see! i was punished for the previous writting. poor me!
ok as i think to study abroad is really necessary for us if we want to get high salary in our life. it seem to be so down-to-earth but it's true.i myself want to be rich :mrgreen: that i 'd like to go abroad. and u? same oppinion?
 
Yeah, I agree with you. But I don't see anything wrong in your first post. Why did they shoutl at you? I guess studying abroad can provide you a chance. But in order to be rich like you said, you are the only who can decide. As for me, that's why I'm studying abroad. I accept the challenge.
 
woooooo..... what challenge is that? can you show me so that i can also take, BTung?
well, for me, i guess, studying abroad does not necessarily bring you a better chance of getting high salary, but get you a better chance to learn, and that's all! well, getting rich? it's not necessary studying abroad will bring you the chance, for bundles of people studying in Vietnam are rich, and bundles of those who NEVER DID STUDY are even richer, and have all the rights to say this and that in the world..... of COMMUNISTS!
 
I guess you are not suitable for this Long. You don't have the "requirements" needed. Yeah, studying abroad doesn't mean that you will get rich. Just look at how pity Long is. Such a poor kid! And Long, you are the first to start again! :D:D:D DOn't blame me if I get out of control like in the other one okay? :D:D:D
 
ok

you think that studying abroad is for a challenge?but what for?`to improve yourself okay, but the main reason is ensure your future .And your future is just ensured when ur salary is high . So the last is money right ? :mrgreen:
 
however, it's not necessary that you'll get a good salary if you study abroad. You might be paid 1000SGD/month here, wow, you find it attractive, but actually, that's not even enough for you to live :D. you know, nothing is ever sure at all! there are also poor people in foreign countries, not necessarily rich if their salaries is few hundred dollars monthly, agree?
 
my gosh, there are so many reasons for a person to want to study abroad, but a high salary should really *not* be one of them. think 'opening new intellectual horizons', or 'gathering professional/social skills', or 'finding independence' or so. a foreign degree won't guarantee you a high-paying job; i recently read an ad from an MA (or PhD, i don't remember) seeking for a job as a translator or tutor < edit: here's the url http://vnexpress.net/User/Rao-vat/Source/View.Asp?ID=500007879&c=16,17 >. now, THAT you can do even w/o the degree, no?! i actually have nothing to show for being only a 12 grader, but i'm sure many people who have studied abroad will agree w/ me.
 
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I admire your insight, Nhung.
A lot of people tried so hard to go abroad, for the sake of a "better life" ( i.e: a richer life ). There's nothing wrong with that. But when I look into the roads of myself and other i only see an impass to our future: sure we'll be richer, but life will become complex. Where do we want ourselves to be? We'd either be sucked in to a foreign, materialist culture where life becomes a complicated cycle of "stuff": bills and contracts and all the constant worries about expectations and competitions and how to define ourselves as the most competitive workers in order not to be kicked out of the market....OR we'd go home, be happy with Mom's cooking and delicious food but frustrated for things you cannot readily readapt to. I havent imagined anything else besides these two possibilities. Life, then, becomes a struggle of placing ourselves between these two places and extracting some juicy satisfactions albeit all the rest. Call me a perfectionist but I dont look look at these possibility with great enthusiasm, even if i'll have a lot of money ( oh, and not to mention that the job market is gonna be soon so flooded with youngsters with foreign degrees, mostly econ or buz, that getting a decent job could remain a lucrative dream ). So, I hope you and me will have a better life, after all, but bear in mind that there are costs and tradeoffs to it too, not all of which can be measured by money.

Dont get me wrong i am so appreciative of my education abroad. What i am trying to say is that we should see studying abroad as a good opportunity to get out and see the new horizons of the world, and learn about urself. That might be the most rewarding experience of your lives. For money? I'd rather start a business than go to school in order to be rich ! :)
 
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xin lỗi ai la hoàng thu hiền nha

really wonder about this.first, who is nhung?( iam ngoc anh pham, but by mistake i've logged in this account-it's unintentionally)
i think it's not your thought when you are still in vietnam. if now i'm in uk or usa or elsewhere i will have the same thought like you( i ignore the verb tense when typing) but here i'm in hanoi, know nothing about the real life and just hope to escape from the poor. what interest me is just how to go, not a single thought ò the later life , because i always believe that if i've got a foreign degree, my lìe will be assure.you see?
 
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i did live a very long time abroad (ie. germany, 7 years), but that has nothing to do w/ my standpoint on this issue. just because i live in vietnam, it doesn't necessarily mean that i'm doomed to narrowmindedness, no? i am sorry, i don't get your idea.
you say you know nothing about the real world. well, that's a pity; good that you realized it so early. unlike many other things, you can actually do smth about this - immediately, here in vietnam! some 70 million (?)people in this country don't wait for a chance to study abroad to learn about the real life.
 
Chỉnh sửa lần cuối:
hmm,.. that was a bit harsh; no personal attack intended, really. what i am trying to get at is i don't blame you for wanting a better life. but regarding study abroad as the key to affluence and fulfilment is too simple. happiness and misery are both relative concepts and have little to do with materialistic possessions - one can be poor but happy, rich but unhappy. i once read a satire i want to share w/ you (i'm not sure if it's entirely relevant)_

Editorial entitled "I am So Hungry" by an American teenager:
Oh, my God, I am so starving. I swear, if I don't get something to eat in like two minutes, I am going to die.
I cannot believe how completely famished I am. Why do we have to wait for Tyler to get home from soccer practice? I want to eat now. It's almost 6:15.
I didn't even get to eat lunch today. Erica and I had to sign up for kickline tryouts at noon. We got to the cafeteria way late, and we weren't about to stand in line with the sophomores. All I had was a Twix and half a bag of Fritos. Plus, the stupid machine was out of Diet Coke.
No, I did not still have those carrot sticks left at lunch. I ate them all after second period. Duh.
Did you hear that? I can totally hear my stomach making these weird growling noises. I think I'm going to faint.
Please, please, please let me eat now so I can go up to my room--I have a ton of people to call tonight. It's so lame how you make us all wait to eat dinner together. Erica always gets to eat by herself in the living room with the TV on.
If we're going to wait this long for Tyler, he has to load the dishwasher. I did it last night, and it was totally nasty because you made that lasagna, and I had to scrape all the gunky cheese off the pan.
I am so totally starving. You know, it's against the law to treat your kids like this. You could get thrown in jail by the social-services people for this kind of abuse.
Oh my God, what are you taking out of the oven? Is that, like, salisbury steak? I could seriously puke just looking at that. You actually expect me to eat that? Yeah, right. Like I'm really gonna put that in my mouth. I'll be in my room if I get any phone calls.
Ugh. I swear, I could just die.
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Editorial entitled: "I am so hungry" by an African child:
My God, I am starving. If I do not find something to eat soon, I will surely die.
Hunger consumes my life. My young body is hunched and weak, as if I were an old man. Some days, I pass the time by counting my bones.
I would walk 100 miles through the desert to reach a handful of millet. The sight of a sparrow carcass would make my mouth water, if only I were not too dehydrated to salivate. I have not eaten a full meal since the last rain, which caused a few precious patches of field grass to sprout. Soon, there will be none of us left.
I am so very, very hungry. I grow thinner and thinner, as my body starts to digest its very self. The last thing I ate was a small lizard. This was nine days ago. I gave half of it to my only remaining brother. I did this to return a favor: Last month, he discovered a piece of tree bark and shared his bounty with me. Unfortunately, my body was so unaccustomed to food, I was soon doubled over in pain, as a flood of liquid shot from my bowels. Ever since then, my rectum has protruded from my anus. My lower intestines have begun to push their way out, as well.
They say it is almost the new year, but I do not know if I will live to see it. My stomach is swollen as if I were pregnant. I joked with my brother about this yesterday, rubbing my bloated belly and calling it "my little one." My brother did not laugh. He lowered his head and cried.
My legs are like sticks and my eyes nearly sightless. I am careful not to allow myself to daydream about the harvest feasts of my youth, for my weak heart might race and burst in my chest. Those who are still alive have taken to swallowing dirt and rocks in an attempt to stop the hunger pains. Oh, God, why are we made to suffer so?
My only distraction from the constant, gnawing hunger is the chill that runs through my bones. Even in the sweltering heat, I am cold. Perhaps I will soon die of pneumonia. This would finally quell the pangs of hunger. I long to live, but, even more, I long to die.

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the moral of this long piece of writing? you are as (un)happy as you feel. or be thankful for what you have? i don't know. everyone has to figure it out for herself.
 
err...... well, big bosses come and leave comments here, all so complicated..... and especially lonG :D. seems like nobody can say any more than that :D
 
i'm sorry you feel that way. i didn't want to come off as conceited. i wouldn't have said more than the first post if i wasn't so affected by some of your (edit1: = people-i-know's, not anybody specific's) 'hướng ngoại' attitudes. i'm not hoping to change any of your minds, just trying to see your perspective + confirm (or compromise) mine. we'll end the discussion here if you prefer.

edit2: Long, i think our ideas are somewhat similar. what are we argueing about anyway?
 
Chỉnh sửa lần cuối:
err.... please double-check. I'm not someone of that "hướng ngoại" attitude. but anyway, we should try to go abroad, get interacted with foreigners to understand people well better. that's what i think.
well, better put an end to this discussion here.
 
What's wrong with helping yourself adapting to new lifestyle? No matter where it is, isn't it gonna be easier for you to adjust yourself a little bit just to make your own life less complicated. Before I left to come over here, one of my beloved friends wrote me that "to join not to mix". Over 2 years, I don't make myself adjust to my present lifestyle in USA, but it is for sure harder to live and study like that.
I don't really know in the beginning what I come here for? I left because my parents want me to; because i wanna forget my past.... Then, living alone here, I keep thinking what my goals are. What do I work so hard for? Not the money that I think I would get after graduating. Not a good position in society later on.
One thing I know pretty well that I have a better chance to start my life. I got chances to see new life, new people, better education (I mean choices of ur majors). I don't think of being here rite now is a way for me to make money later on. It's not my purpose.
 
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