Leave me alone

Mazerlin

Vũ Đàm Linh
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We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teacher, leave those kids alone
Hey, Teacher, leave those kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall
PINK FLOYD Another Brick In The Wall, II



I want to shout out loud to my teachers, " Leave me alone". Most of them have driven me crazy. Now I only need to be free in my own cage. Please don't turn me into just another brick, I have to be myself. Twelve years are going to the end, but I'm not happy because my scarred heart and disheveled mind will never mend. The thought control binds me while I am awake, and haunts me at night. I may forget their sarcasms, but they will affect me anyway.
 
làm sao thế em :) thought control?? nghe như 1984 :D
nhà giáo ưu tú nào của trường Ams dám mỉa mai em thế.
 
Please, respect the rule, or else your post does not count.:D I am really astonished at finding you and many others write in Vietnamese in English forum but show off your excellent English in all the others. Why so? :confused:

Ok, it's 1985, when I was born. My life is doomed:( Well, just remember grade 9th, I was told ...well, no need to tell you. It hurts, of course, for long. And presently a few kids are suffering, they cannot bear these dark words from teachers. Have you heard of a girl commiting suicide? She is so miserable.

Ams' teachers, ah, :D Some of them are very kind, some are not. I don't care for sarcasms now, they cannot harm a grown-up :> I'll be free at last
 
Committing suicide? Where and when did that happen? Wasn't in our school, was it?
Well, you're right. teachers can behave like assholes and sadly there are quite a few who do so on a regular basis. And you are also very right that you'll be free @ last. Actually, on second thought, haven't you been free already? My friend @ Connecticut College is about to graduate. She will be attending law school @ either Duke or Cornell. She has been through much pain to reach this stage in her life, when she can believe that ahead of here there's a bright future awaiting. You see, painful experiences are never absent in a successful person's life.
I don't know why I didn't write in English in my first post. Didn't do it for any particular reason, just didn't feel like it. Don't get me wrong, I write in English when I'm in the right mood, but most of the time, I prefer Vietnamese.
 
I really hate English: such a boring language. Vietnamese is the best :mrgreen: especially useful in TL :)) Don't you think we should make some more arguments in HAO ? it is becoming very very boring and full of ... chã :mrgreen:

Back to the main point, needless to say, the current education system in Vietnam sucks :mad: It is putting too much pressure on the students and killing their creativity.
 
To Hoang Long: Have you read what I wrote? I want to be free in my cage.:D Life will be the same for me, out of the frying pan into the fire, right? :((

To Hưng: I love Vietnamese. I cannot ease my mind by swearing in English:D But English is a better disguise for what I really have in mind;)

Where do those chã come from? Out of sucking edu sys? I care no straw for them, if they stop poking their stupid nose at my biz.
 
Eh no, not that guy, it's girl being told off harshly by a female teacher. She then was not allowed to study this subject, so she couldn't complete this year's study. She was a good student and couldn't bear being expelled unofficially.
 
Hey, just happened to read this while researching for my paper. thought you might find this interesting.
During the Cultural Revolution in China, many people were considered bourgeoise rightists by the Red Guard and thus confined to severe punishments. One most notorious was that the supposedly "rightist" was imprisoned in a cattle pen and not allowed to converse with anybody else for a period of time ranging from a few weeks to a few years. Many went mad.
What's interesting here, you may ask. It is the fact that people go mad when put in cages while some desire to be confined in cages and insist that there they will find freedom that interests me a great deal :D
 
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I have read about the story that Linh mentioned, but can by no means recover the link T_T The girl in the article was a 9th-grader going to graduate from junior high. She was caught in the act calling her teacher 'bà chủ nhiệm', who then threatened to dispel her from school. A model monitor and hard-working student, the girl couldn't bear to be a burden for her poor parents + committed suicide. This story was cited to illustrate how fragile young people's minds can be, and how destructive undidactic instruction can prove. I also see this as an example of how undemocratic school in Vietnam (esp. in the lower grades) and how counter-educational this ;) is :)) (whoa, so i think i just coined a new word :p )
 
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I want to shout out loud to my teachers, " Leave me alone". Most of them have driven me crazy. Now I only need to be free in my own cage. Please don't turn me into just another brick, I have to be myself. Twelve years are going to the end, but I'm not happy because my scarred heart and disheveled mind will never mend. The thought control binds me while I am awake, and haunts me at night. I may forget their sarcasms, but they will affect me anyway.
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Why does this sound soooo familiar? :))

Just yesterday I visited a public middle school in downtown Philly. The kids were from working-class families, and the school did not seem to have great financial resources. Yet the kids were so cheerful as they talked about their school and their teachers. I saw the 6th-graders drawing beautiful comic strips as an assignment for their science class, and write amazing stories about microorganisms... When would our kids in Vietnam be able/allowed to do such things? The thought lingered in my mind the whole day, and I could not help looking back on my 12 years of schooling in Vietnam.

Back home I used to feel pretty much the same way as this 'brick-to-be' (or 'brick-donot-wanna-be') does... But, on a second thought, I kinda miss those days - School back then wasn't great, but was not that bad either, if you know how to deal with it. The American education system, though 'democratic' and 'progressive' it might seem, has numerous downsides to itself. You would hear tons of stories about cases in which urban public school kids are mistreated or abused. Those kids are not happy either.

Our education system is not perfect, but it doesn't mean that you would be much more pleased with an education system elsewhere. Anywhere in this world you just have to learn to protect your own self, so that your 'heart' and 'mind' won't be 'hurt' or 'scarred.'

Back to the case that Nhung cited. It was sad indeed. But was it all the teacher's fault? Where are the parents? Where are the friends?

If only someone had told her: No matter what they say or do to you, you are still a worthwhile person!

That was my first official lesson at an American college.

P.S to Nhung:
I also see this as an example of how undemocratic school in Vietnam (esp. in the lower grades) and how counter-educational this is
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Interestingly enough, I'm writing a paper about Confucianism - Appears to me, it's not supposed to be 'counter-education' or 'miseducative' - it's just the way people interprete and manipulate the doctrine that is to blame.

P.P.S to Long:
It is the fact that people go mad when put in cages while some desire to be confined in cages and insist that there they will find freedom that interests me a great deal
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Figured out the explanation yet? ;)
 
Ms. My đã viết:
Interestingly enough, I'm writing a paper about Confucianism - Appears to me, it's not supposed to be 'counter-education' or 'miseducative' - it's just the way people interprete and manipulate the doctrine that is to blame.
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I realized that Confucianism is not exactly to blame for current conditions soon after I posted the message + edited it out, didn't you see :))

Anyway, I see My's point, but I'm not entirely convinced :D Why do we have to look left and right to justify our present education system's inefficiencies? Should we sit back and wait till the US and China come up with a perfect system to imitate them? I am not calling for an immediate upheaval, but I think admitting that (very) much needs to be done is a great step forward.

Ms. My đã viết:
You would hear tons of stories about cases in which urban public school kids are mistreated or abused.
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There are 2 fundamental differences that I can think of on the spot:
- Quantity of cases (Ask any student here whether they've ever felt wronged + the honest answer will most likely be yes)
- Parents and the community here have less (or practically nil) power to exert influence on unjustly cases.

Gosh, this sounds really somber :p If you study long enough, you'll learn how to be patient + 'chịu nhục'. Also, though many teachers have lost their enthusiasm or have become bitter with age, there ARE in turn an encouraging number of devoted teachers who are enthusiastic + caring :) *applauding my Geography and Math teachers*

Amen 0:)
 
Đỗ Huyền My đã viết:
P.P.S to Long:
Figured out the explanation yet? ;)
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Well, what can I say... It was meant to be a joke :lol: so I guess I did figure it out, duh.
btw, I think I agree with Nhung. When the system is corrupted, it's best to set out and try to fix it into what you think is good. Makes no sense to look around, see that things are all bad everywhere then sit back, feel content with what you've got currently.
You are majoring in East Asia study, right? Ever read Chairman Mao. :rolleyes: It was he who said that: "Struggle is the only means to progress. Can 80 million people progress without struggle" :lol:
O the Great Prole Cult Rev... on the east horizon shines the red sun... :D
I'm writing a paper, too. :mrgreen:
 
Ok, if you want to know what freedom in a cage means, Long ;)
While I build a lovely cage to confine myself in, teachers pull me out, drag me to a serpentine track, force me to run, keep beating me with big sticks if I try to break out and lash me with their dark sarcasms. I am no longer snug as a bug in my rug again. MY CAGE!!!!! :((

Just follow the link, Mr. Vũ. Ah now my gratitude to the teacher, who keeps me out of trouble.:D I am not interested in politics, so :D no threat to me:p! My Giáo dục công dân teacher asked students to write about what is happening in the world, luckily, I was absent J. My friends wrote a lot about Iraq war, they are brilliant! I just wonder what happened if someone took sides with Bush :?:
 
Some analyses of the counter-educationality :)D) thesis of the Viet education system:

- It is too early to say that the education system is getting worse, or at least not improving, just by relying on something that you read on the news. The so-called evidence happens all the time and everywhere. There might have been more suicides before, and the few recent suicides just happen to be better covered on front pages. Would it mean better media performance, or worse education experience? Or the pupils may have much more preference for individualism and thought independence now than before (take a look at the moderator alias VDL), while the system could be actually improving yet at a slower rate. Then the few cases would be too exceptional too be evidence.
- I agree with My (this sounds so egocentric :D ). Progressive education (or progressive whatever :) ) is beautiful, but it has setbacks for kids as well. Besides, to some extent democratic education needs to protect teachers and teachers’ ideas too (say, from hard core revolutionists like VDL). There are also examples of conspiracy and violence against teachers on VNexpress (just like examples of two million other things). Should it be taken into account here?

My personal school experience is very memorable. Perhaps I am just another easily indoctrinated docile yes-pupil. Perhaps I had the luck to have wonderful teachers. Perhaps I only keep the good memories of my school years, leaving bad things out of mind. I am also grateful to those who forced me to do things that I need, but would freeride otherwise. Just a very personal experience, I guess.

Linh, before you wish you were here inside the wall to stay away from the teachers, look at the dark side of the moon :).
 
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Nhung đã viết:
I realized that Confucianism is not exactly to blame for current conditions soon after I posted the message + edited it out, didn't you see
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Sorry, I didn't see it before I posted my message :p

Why do we have to look left and right to justify our present education system's inefficiencies? Should we sit back and wait till the US and China come up with a perfect system to imitate them?
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Why do we have to look left and right to find ways to improve our economy or other social issues?
I'm not saying that we should "wait till the US and/or China come up with a perfect system to imitate them." That's just absolutely ridiculous. But since those countries are several steps ahead of us in their educational reform program, shouldn't we pay attention to their experience? We might learn a lot of things from them.


Trích dẫn từ bài của: Ms. My
You would hear tons of stories about cases in which urban public school kids are mistreated or abused.

There are 2 fundamental differences that I can think of on the spot:
- Quantity of cases (Ask any student here whether they've ever felt wronged + the honest answer will most likely be yes)
- Parents and the community here have less (or practically nil) power to exert influence on unjustly cases.
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- Quantity of cases: Ask any student here (in the US) whether they've ever felt wronged (by not only teachers but parents and other adults as well) + the honest answer will most likely be yes.
- Parents and the community here (in the US) have *just a little more* power to exert influence on unjust cases, while the number of cases and their level of complexity could well be much higher.
(sorry I just 'cut & paste' from your question)
If you have a chance to study education or work with organizations in the field, perhaps you'll agree to what I just said.


Long đã viết:
When the system is corrupted, it's best to set out and try to fix it into what you think is good.
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How do you know that the system is really corrupted? Or how corrupted is it? Can we "set out and try to fix it into what you think is good" before figuring out what really needs to be fixed?

You are majoring in East Asia study, right? Ever read Chairman Mao. It was he who said that: "Struggle is the only means to progress. Can 80 million people progress without struggle"
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Yes, Asian Studies (not just East), and Education. Read Chairman Mao, and don't like him.
I don't know why exactly you quote him here, but I believe harshness (or struggle), depending on the degree, could either inhibit or encourage growth. He who knows how to find his way around to make the best out of the situation is the one to win.
 
Đỗ Huyền My đã viết:
Long đã viết:
When the system is corrupted, it's best to set out and try to fix it into what you think is good.
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How do you know that the system is really corrupted? Or how corrupted is it? Can we "set out and try to fix it into what you think is good" before figuring out what really needs to be fixed?
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Well, I reckoned it wouldn't be that tough to figure it out. Perhaps I didn't make my point clear. I wasn't talking particularly about the issue of teachers' manners towards students, which you guys were discussing. By corruption here, I mean anything that wrongs the system. There are obviously numerous such things present in the Vietnamese education system. Low wages for the teachers, teachers' incompetence, corruption among the minsitry's officials, complicated and inefficient methodology in constructing and restructuring the core curriculum ... I do not think it is hard to figure such problems out, rather it is very hard to face them (with actions, not talks.) anyway, I know I'm not being contributional or anything, I was just writing down something that popped up in my head, just some opinions... never mind.


Yes, Asian Studies (not just East), and Education. Read Chairman Mao, and don't like him.
I don't know why exactly you quote him here, but I believe harshness (or struggle), depending on the degree, could either inhibit or encourage growth. He who knows how to find his way around to make the best out of the situation is the one to win.
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Well, this was meant to be a joke, too :(( It seems to me my sense of humor is becoming really lousy. :cry:
 
Hoàng Long đã viết:
Well, I reckoned it wouldn't be that tough to figure it out. Perhaps I didn't make my point clear... There are obviously numerous such things present in the Vietnamese education system. Low wages for the teachers, teachers' incompetence, corruption among the minsitry's officials, complicated and inefficient methodology in constructing and restructuring the core curriculum...
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Sounds like you know it all without having to take any education class :p
With all the books that I've read and classes taken, I still don't know exactly how to fix :") Maybe you should change your major into education policy or something, so that Vietnamese kids will enjoy a better future! :))

Well, this was meant to be a joke, too :(( It seems to me my sense of humor is becoming really lousy. :cry:
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Hey, "no matter what people say or do to you, you're still a worthwhile person!" ;) No intentional offense to your 'sense of humor', really :p
 
Đỗ Huyền My đã viết:
Sounds like you know it all without having to take any education class :p
With all the books that I've read and classes taken, I still don't know exactly how to fix :") Maybe you should change your major into education policy or something, so that Vietnamese kids will enjoy a better future! :))
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Ah, sarcasm, I see SARCASM. Finally, are we going back to the origin of the topic? Sarcasm hurts :((
anyway, didn't know there's an education program @ Swarthmore. Isn't it a little bit too profession-oriented for an LAC?
 
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