Egotism.

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What is egotism. According to my understanding it is the self-concern for one's dignity , this, it is similar to "human dignity". It is also the unique reactions of one's in response to others' actions acting on him...this, it can be called also personality... it can be called in various names, since it is one of the most important factor to humans.

It is something that subconsciously control our actions. Have you ever felt that you are so offened and angered that you did something you'd never usually do? Or have u acted toward a person not the way that u often act toward people because that one has said something really offended u, and just kept putting u down? Or have u felt u are so ignored and people don't care about u that u feel u'r nothing and so depressed?

Egotism is something that is so important to us that we're willing to defend all enemies regardless of who they are or what they stand for. Have you ever felt that u are so mad at someone because he/she just kept putting u down in front of other people, and u want even by catching ever minor mistakes he does and make a big deal out of them, despite the facts that u know all the things he said about u was not all wrong, but still, u just can't stand that guy?

There are four principles of egotism:

1. We are all egotists.

2. We are more interested in ourselves than in anything else in the world.

3. Every person you meet wants to feel important and to "amount to something".

4. There is a craving in every human being for the approval of others, so he can approve of himself

(in case if someone says that they are not always right, i admit that i'm not even myself certain that they're right in every circumstances, but most circumstances, therefore i don't want to take that risk believing the one i'm dealing with is out of those 4 principles, which is rare, very rare.)

Why do we need to know all these? Statistic calculation of psychologists about the result of the reasons for laidoffs shows that failure in work amounts about only 10%, but failure in dealing with colleagues, and bosses is 90 % ; also chances of promotion, getting things work out as expected, it is a wonder that one with less talent and less knowledge, but great in public relation most of the time outdo one with real talent and more knowledge. A more obvious proof that "nịnh thần" often won the control of the government court.(i kinda watched not a few chinese movies>__<)

The thing is, everyone wants to feel important, feel that they're worth of something, and needs appreciation to feed their ego (not just empty appreciation, but don't u feel angry when u spent a lot of times, and effort doing something, and no one bother gives u any credit for that, u need acknowledgement and creditability for ur work)...along with the food chain to feed ego is acceptance (don't u feel uncomfortable to be around people that just sidelook at u when u walk in, or talk behind ur back, and kind of discrimiate or have prejudice against u?), also approval, no one's perfect, but no one's absolutely dumb....neither are we, so don't we feel annoyed by people who just try to find every minor mistakes we make and just condemn us about them; or dont' we feel more refreshed, and more enthusiastic when someone approves of our work, and we then try to get it done better.

My point is, everyone's egotist, and there's nothing wrong with it...so don't feel bad if we value ourselves so much...but on the other hand, other people have the same situation as we do....they value themselves too, and it's just as natural... it's better to avoid crossing on their egos, because they'd most likely try to strike back at urs. Understand the importance of egotism, we'd know some better way in dealing with other people in a positive way, and when u are in a good terms with people, they'd most likely treat u back nicely.

(the ideas, i take from the book named "how to have confidence and power in dealing with people" of Les Giblin)

(to be continued)
 
What is egotism. According to my understanding it is the self-concern for one's dignity , this, it is similar to "human dignity". It is also the unique reactions of one's in response to others' actions acting on him...this, it can be called also personality...
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I'm confused...

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Egotism is something that is so important to us that we're willing to defend all enemies regardless of who they are or what they stand for.
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Confused even more :-/
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What is egotism. According to my understanding it is the self-concern for one's dignity , this, it is similar to "human dignity". It is also the unique reactions of one's in response to others' actions acting on him...this, it can be called also personality... it can be called in various names, since it is one of the most important factor to humans.

I think you got confused :D

A man who is egotistic is self-congratulatory, boastful, or always consider himself the center of attention.
A man who is egoistic is self-centered, concerns only with self's needs or wants.
 
To liveforadream:
You have some confusing points at first. But the latter part is very interesting to me. Good job, please post some more. (see, I learnt something from your post :)>- )
 
Egotism is self-esteem the way we feel about ourselves.

I have a different ideas about "egotist", a person who has high opinion of himself, or often called "arrogant". I do not think those are ones that really think highly of themselves, but are in doubt of themselves. as Đỗ Bá Khoa has pointed out (thanks for ur definition^^) he is one that concern about his wants and needs? is it wrong for one to care for one's wants and needs? Since nature has created creatures with the first instinct in our head "YOU and ur basics come first, others later". It is okay for an egotist's concerned with his wants and needs....but why he "only" is concerned with wants and needs? We are only creatures, who are driven toward rewards...we need something to feed our "ego", or "self-esteem", or our "personality" (or watever u want to call it) just like we need food to feed our body, and those foods for our "ego" (from then on im gonna use this term, since it's the integral of egotist^^) are acceptance, approvals, and appreciation . When we're full, we'll hardly like to eat something else, just like our ego, when we're in no doubt of our talent, or we know for sure that we're worth of something, we're somebody, we not usually trying to gain more "ego-food" (trying to get the 3 As, acceptance, appreciation, approvals).

On the other hand, an egotist; why does he always try to outdo others people, trying to convince that he's better; have u ever felt that when u tried so hard to do something, u ever realized that u wanted people to know that u'r good, u wanted rewards :appreciation, approvals, and acceptance maybe. He "needs" food to feed his ego, how can he get his attention off his ego when his ego's hungry? he's gonna try to feed his ego first, so he can get off his "ego". Just like when u'r hungry, how can u get off ur attention off ur stomach? u gotta satisfy ur need first, filling in ur stomach, so u can get off ur attention off ur stomach, and concern about other things.

Remember, everyone wants(maybe need is a better word) to feel "important", "worth of something", but they don't want to "stepped on others to do it", nonetheless when his ego is so hungry, it'd be hard for him to care for anything else than "only concerned with his self's needs and wants". It has been an illusion that people often think that egotist has a high opinion about himself, so they usually "show him up", or "beat him down" trying to get his attention off his self. And clearly they didn't work, have u ever try to beat something down vigorously because he sounds so "arrograntly"?...he'd realize that he's wrong, or he'd just blindly strike back at u? On the other hand, if u appreciate his work, but point out that he has made some mistakes, and emphasize that those mistakes are just minor, everyone would have made....it'd usually work, because u give wat he wants "appreciation" and "approvals".

My point is, egotists, just like people who have low self-esteem, or hungry egos are alike, they try desperately to convince others that he's "somebody", especially "himself" (because if everyone realizes that he's somebody, he must be somebody", trying to get the food to feed his ego the 3 As. Showing him up, or beating him down are not good ways to deal with people like that...a starved ego is a mean ego, just like a starved dog is a good dog...would u just beat the dog when it's hungry in order to get it obedient, or reward it, give it food in order to get it obedient?

Most of frictions in human relationship is due to the lack of understanding about egotism, so i think it's kinda an important subject to talk about.

"Hồ Lam Sơn", u just used my point, and applied it on me >__<. u gave me appreciation, so i felt refreshed and tried to work harder, just like a "hungry dog", it got food when it's hungry, it's gonna willingly do wat the owner tells him to do, and try to do it better in order to get fed. (just a comparsion, don't make anything out of it please..>__< :D)... u are so cool^^
 
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for me, egotism is really a matter of our life. It has specific meanings depending totally upon your attitude. If you think it is good so egotism is your confirm of your situation.You are you not any one else. But besides that, you are superior to others.Or at least, you are trying to be upper.
But also have to say more about the advantage of this mental point that: If individual does not owns his/her ambition to be better than others. So how can society develop or just stuck inside!
Egotism is one of so many definition theories in sociology. But it is absolutely an interesting topic for many, guess that.
 
An egoist says: " I have to take the best".
while an egotist says: "I AM the best!"
 
isn't it just so simple?
....And accept my apology
....I just need another star :">
 
To Đặng Thái Hằng:
an egoist says "i have to take the best"....why, wat's he thinking? don't u want to take the best, in case that won't hurt anyone else....an egoist doesn't care about it...why? was he born that way?...

An egotist says "i am the best", wat he probably is saying is that "hey, i'm gonna prove to u that i'm the best, believe me"...why does he do that? how did he get to that conclusion? by telling himself everyday that he's the best?...many did too, but still they felt so...timid, and anxious and non-confident.

I think everyone here knows what they are...but are kinda ambiguous about why they do that, and how to deal with them...sorry if the name of my topic kinda made u understood my point..

I think u just misunderstood the problem...which is definitely all my fault...so please tell us wat u think about the subject^^ ur ideas are really welcome, and appreciated.
 
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To Nguyễn Thanh Hà: u had a very interesting point...maybe i was kinda focusing on the psochologic side of the problem, but forget wat advantages it can bring....please don't be short in words, don't be closefisted in knowledge and words...brighten everyone with ur brightness^^.
 
Phước, since this is the English club, I'd venture into saying this directly to you. True, you should write in English... but only when u do so for the sake of improving your writing. If you wish to discuss a certain subject outside of the writing department, certainly u should do so if your writing were good enough. In your case, however, I feel, since your focus is on discussing this issue of "egotism," which obviously involves many complicated concepts ranging from psychological to sociological ones, yet your English is, to be honest, not quite ready to cope with such complexity; you should consider using Vietnamese to discuss it. It would be much more productive for u and less confusing for others.
 
my english's bad in this category (i don't know about others), nevertheless, my vietnamese's even worse since i almost had no knowledge or beforehand learning about this when i was in VN......and where do u suggest i should post my ideas? In my opinion, because my knowledge about this subject in vietnamese is almost zero, which would be hard for me to explain it without using some english words (some of which the dictionary doesn't even have), and i think some people wouldnt miss that chance to undo all i've tried to erase my previous mistakes. (how about bringing it up over and over and over to say about me, or to reject my ideas?)

I tried not to be formal, and didn't put much thoughts in my writing, since i didn't intend to be a lecturer, teaching anyone. However it didn't deny the fact that my incompetence in language and unorganized in thoughts have confused u, and maybe many others else. I'll try harder to explain my thoughts and ideas next time.

And i really didn't consider the posibility that this department was founded just for "english", i apologize for that.
 
Hoàng Long đã viết:
Phước, since this is the English club, I'd venture into saying this directly to you. True, you should write in English... but only when u do so for the sake of improving your writing. If you wish to discuss a certain subject outside of the writing department, certainly u should do so if your writing were good enough. In your case, however, I feel, since your focus is on discussing this issue of "egotism," which obviously involves many complicated concepts ranging from psychological to sociological ones, yet your English is, to be honest, not quite ready to cope with such complexity; you should consider using Vietnamese to discuss it. It would be much more productive for u and less confusing for others.

anh Long, are you saying that, if one's E isn't "good enough for this club," he or she'd better write in Vnese?

To Phước: honestly, it took me quite long to understand what you wrote. Still, I encourage you to write it in E since trying to translate those terms into Vnese would make things even more confusing.

I just want to make sure I understand ur point, you have gone into details about how an individual expresses his/her egotism and how we should deal with them, rite? Basically, we are all arrogant. Understanding that human nature, we should not hurt others' pride when they try to prove themselves. Instead of hurting their feelings, it's better to encourage them in a proper way so they will actually try to improve themselves (a very relative term). Is that right? :)
 
To Nguyễn Diệu Hương: it is exactly what i've been trying to say..>__< thank you for clearing it up.
 
A man who is egotistic is self-congratulatory, boastful, or always consider himself the center of attention.
A man who is egoistic is self-centered, concerns only with self's needs or wants.

An egoist says: " I have to take the best".
while an egotist says: "I AM the best!"

Sounds quite reasonable though I thought both are the same. Can you please tell me where you picked up the distinction?
 
nah
egotism is a bit like thinking ur the best or smt
but it's true that we r all some egotists inside of us
:))
EVERYBODY is!!!!
 
is it wrong for one to care for one's wants and needs? Since nature has created creatures with the first instinct in our head "YOU and ur basics come first, others later".
Totally agreed...



It is okay for an egotist's concerned with his wants and needs....but why he "only" is concerned with wants and needs? We are only creatures, who are driven toward rewards...we need something to feed our "ego", or "self-esteem", or our "personality" (or watever u want to call it) just like we need food to feed our body, and those foods for our "ego" (from then on im gonna use this term, since it's the integral of egotist^^) are acceptance, approvals, and appreciation .
Still agreed...



When we're full, we'll hardly like to eat something else, just like our ego, when we're in no doubt of our talent, or we know for sure that we're worth of something, we're somebody, we not usually trying to gain more "ego-food" (trying to get the 3 As, acceptance, appreciation, approvals).
I don't think so. I would say one's appetite for such things as acknowledgement, appreciation, admiration, etc. is insatiable. One never gets full of praise or even, sometimes, patently bogus exaltation. Just ask yourself if you've ever got jaded for "too many" plaudits.



On the other hand, an egotist; why does he always try to outdo others people, trying to convince that he's better; have u ever felt that when u tried so hard to do something, u ever realized that u wanted people to know that u'r good, u wanted rewards :appreciation, approvals, and acceptance maybe. He "needs" food to feed his ego, how can he get his attention off his ego when his ego's hungry? he's gonna try to feed his ego first, so he can get off his "ego". Just like when u'r hungry, how can u get off ur attention off ur stomach? u gotta satisfy ur need first, filling in ur stomach, so u can get off ur attention off ur stomach, and concern about other things.
As I wrote above, never can a human subdue egoism, even for a solitary second in his life. Otherwise, either he's deranged or six feet under already. Straining for survival aside, just put the question why we always exert ourselves to secure high position in class, why people aspire to promotion and high status, or just make a simple observation and we'll easily see even ordinary kids always have sanctimonious attitudes. Yet, it does not necessarily mean everybody is egoistic. Let me tell you how I define an egoist. An egoist is say, a person who does not know well how to handle his ego, or rather, a person who is inept at contenting his ego. That way, if you wonder whether or not someone is an egoist, just look at the way he sustains his ego. An excellent student who does it by trying to attain outstanding results in class and thus receiving bona fide acclaim from people around is NOT an egoist. A millionaire who does it by donating thousands of dollars to help indigent people and therefore gaining homage from others is NOT an egoist. On the contrary, a bragger who only tries to assert himself by perpetually boasting is definitely an egoist.

In brief, I think the existence of ego and egoism inside every individual is undeniable. Only, whether a person is egoistic or not should be judged wisely. If he's just literally supercilious, he's an egoist. Yet if he has the prowess to cope with his ego, then he's not egoistic and even we should all learn his virtue.
 
Just to clarify my opinion, there are 2 points over which I disagree with Phước:

1. Not everyone is egoistic;

2. One can never get his attention off his ego notwithstanding how it is "pacified". Besides, ego has nothing to hamper one's business. It's even the permanent inherent motive that prods one into everything he does.
 
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